. >> bob: it's much more dangerous to leave fair trade of the credit of the united states government in gutter if we don't raise the debt ceiling. he can, under a lot of legal con industry tutionm lawyers who believe that there is a way for him to do this without -- >> dana: imagine if president bush tried that? >> bob: stop comparing what would happen -- >> dana: why? why? >> bob: in this case he can do it and he should. for the republicans to pay chicken with something important as fair, faith and credit is dangerous -- >> andrea: so why won't democrats talk about spending? they won a huge battle. now they say talk spending cuts. they don't want to. >> bob: they will talk spending cuts and they have to deal with entitlement. >> kimberly: do you agree at the least they're reluctant to do so? >> bob: at the very least? >> kimberly: they don't want to hear the word. at all. >> bob: they are scared about doing it but they have to do it believe me it has to happen. >> kimberly: would you agree there is absence of leadership in that regard? >> bob: >> dana: eric, final point? >> eric: i